LorRaine Warren
INTERVIEWED by Joseph Robert Jobe / ASST. EDITOR

..01 / 03 / 2009 - 6:00 to 7:00 PM EST....I was very honored to speak at great length with one of the world's most recognized names known today in Paranormal Investigation - LORAINE WARREN. About a week ago Tara and I were going over a list of investigators / psychics that we wanted to work with in the early stages of the new year, and her name was right up there at the top of the list. This was someone attached to the AMITYVILLE story 30 years ago, a requested back-up 2nd opinion / investigator on the A&E show Paranormal State, a nationial speaker and published author with now 10 books Published out there regarding the paranormal, and she is still doing investigations at the age of 81! My introduction call to Loraine about a week ago was brief: we want to do a phone Q & A about her Investigative Techniques and Career for our website here at VISIONSMAGAZINEONLINE.com... "Sure honey... I would LOVE to do that. How about after the New Year?"

..I gave Loraine a call at about 6:00 PM the following Saturday. I had been doing online research on her career which spans for decades during the last 4 days, and of course the reasearch did include the AMITYVILLE case. In past interviews that she has done, AMITYVILLE was a very touchy subject with her, with some online interviews actually stopping with the mentioning of the "A" word. I drafted, then re-drafted about 10-15 questions for our phone interview the day before I was to call. She likes to do her interviews over the phone, as do I.

..I feel that the actual conversation is critically important to the "CONTEXT" of what we are researching here, being the {PARANORMAL}, and good conversation reveals hidden details, and dare I say it - AGENDAS. Talking about a certain topic also spurns {more} and better questions perhaps not originally thought of on the first pass. I just really think working this way gives you a better, if not a TRUER, MORE HONEST answer. Loraine was very, very nice during the interview to a fault, we had a few laughs, and I prayed that I wasn't going to bore her with more questions of the same ilk that she has responded to for years. She made time for {US} here at VISIONSMAGAZINEONLINE.com, and for that we are very greatful for her time and complete honesty.

..I was very glad to here and learn from Her that Her WRITING TECHNIQUE's are what I like I do... Getting the ideas down on paper or via voice recorder first, serving as thoughts and facts and details to be expanded upon at a later time and for review. The refined notes are later dictated to someone else for ingestion into the computer. Trust me - as a writer myself - THIS METHOD WORKS!

..Her tools of paranormal investigation are not only unique in the field, but rather extraordinarily simple in nature: a telephone to pre-interview the client experiencing something that they cannot explain, her "CLAIRVOYANT" skills, and her faith. She has no need for E.M.F. meters, infrared camera systems, digital voice recorders, etc. - She will entertain the collected and presented by others evidence up to a point - and that's it. Some cases she will refuse to talk about that in {HER words} "...affected me too deeply..." Some of her conclusions have been rather controversial and have created splits in opinion in the field of Paranormal research as to the accuracy of those reported findings. Because of her strong, personal, highly religious beliefs and practices, during this actual phone interview MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS were called into question and, yep, I was actually being INTERROGATED and COUNSELED because they DIFFERED FROM HERS! .Also Ms. Warren got rather upset, and rightfully corrected the record to me that she is {not}, and should not be referred to as a DEMONOLIGIST as per a very popular paranormal show now that continuously refers to her as being as such, as well as other broadcasts and web sites that make the same claim about her... "Their words, not mine.... I didn't tell them to do that."

..Ms. Warren will {only work} with and try to help those who need to bring "CLOSURE" to a case and only if it meets HER PERSONAL CRITERIA: She does not charge for an investigation, {but} will accept reimbursement of expenses such as for airfare, fuel, hotel costs, etc. if these monies are offered. The Client {must} share the same, or at least in a simular personal belief system that she has: "They MUST believe {in one true GOD}, or I won't go in... go do it yourself..." In this requirement she is totally immovable in both opinion and Paranormal investigative technique and Personal Beliefs.


..AQUARIUS – AIR SIGN January 21 to February 19 (Air signs: Aquarius – Gemini – Libra)

..BORN: January 31, 1927. This sign is governed by Uranus which rules personal and societal freedom. It also indicates originality of thought and expression. Uranus rules those revolutionary events that have upset even the most established of structures. Much like the insurgent (a person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority, a rebel). The element of “air” is tuned into the realm of the mind. Thought is constantly shifting like a turbulent wind. Air does not attach itself emotionally to others as do some other signs of the zodiac.

..Aquarians focus on intellectual exploration. It’s interesting to note that many inventors, eccentrics and highly original individuals are born under this sign. They have an ultra - intense ability to think and reason on many mental levels but this can be a double edged sword and can fluctuate between both pain and pleasure.Aquarians are drawn to humanitarian undertakings and will find themselves involved in roles aiding their fellow man. Aquarians have an uncanny ability to make friends and retain their loyalty. They tend to be very interesting people and people just enjoy being around them. They are not really fond of the routine and tend to stimulate people’s intellect.

..Aquarians can be elusive, mysterious and even unusual people - and above all unique. Even though bordering on what some people might consider eccentric behavior, but it is this uniqueness that makes them so charming. The Aquarian mind is extremely quick and their mind races with all kinds of thoughts continually (it is interesting to note that many born under this sign are prone to insomnia). Aquarians will take up a cause because it satisfies their needs and gives them fulfillment-its their nature. They need something to stand for and believe in.

..I found this interesting piece of information: In the American Hall of Fame there are more Aquarians than any other sign, yet statistics reveal that in mental institutions there are more Aquarians than any other sign too. Many extremes can surround this sign and these extremes can take them to both Heaven and Hell. (www.psychicguild.com)


.What follows are my prepared Questions that were put to Ms. Warren over the length of a full hour of back-forth conversation followed by Loraine's {transcribed} responses to them. Some answers may be shortened for space in this article, or for conversation going {off subject}, but nothing changes the answers or the context thereof.


..THE INTERVIEW OF LORRAINE WARREN

..JRJ / VISIONS: Please define how being a "DEMONOLOGIST" differs from being an EXORCIST, a PARANORMAL INVESTIGATOR, or a SPIRITUAL PSYCHIC. What makes Demonology stand apart. Would you classify yourself as all of these? What I see a lot of when I look you up online I see the word Demonologist attached to your name a lot.

..L. WARREN: I don’t classify myself as that. Let me put it this way. When I decided, Joe, that after things happened after Ed’s passing I realized I was going to carry on his legacy. His legacy covered a lot of things dear. If I’m going to carry on his legacy and carry on his work with God’s blessing. I know, I never called myself that.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Ok. See that’s a very important clarification there. You are an investigator. You are not just going on that side of the fence.

..L. WARREN: No, I’m not on that one side of the fence only, No. I have worked next to that man that I have loved and worked with a lot of years and naturally I would be learnered in that area… I would be at least lernered in that area that I worked right next to him on.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Did you work {together} on your many paranormal investigations over the years? Was there a divisions of labor of who did what on the investigations you did over your history?

..L. WARREN: That is exactly how it would be… In other words he would be doing the interviews with the family. Let’s put it this way… this is the intial interview now. He is the person who is doing the interviews with the family. I don’t want to be part of that Joe. I want to walk around the house and see what I feel and not be influenced by what is being told to me. That is a researcher and that is that of a psychic and that is what I am doing.

..JRJ / VISIONS: How do you feel ... Do you feel numbness... Do you feel a presence?

..L. WARREN: I feel presence. I see spirits, I feel vibrations. The most important areas to gain this in is sitting on the bed of the people who lived in this home. That is where you pick up your deepest thoughts. That is where we think out a lot of things from the day that we have had. Where we are going tomorrow.. what we are going to do. That tells me a great deal about a person…. a great deal about a person…. I don’t have that person in front of me to deal with... If I have that person there to deal with I can interview that person, but if I don’t that’s the way I do it.

..JRJ / VISIONS: You stated earlier to me that you are doing {another} Paranormal State in Ohio, which is right next door to us… being as we are based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. With all of the renewed "explosive interest" in paranormal investigation on a national scale, obviously broadcast heavily on cable television, we see your {allegiance} to Paranormal State. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but I would {take it} that you see them as a very credible source to work with ?

..L. WARREN: Well I’m glad you addressed that. I’m very happy that you addressed it because that when I was asked to do this I was on this one case and I said now where this case is concerned and where any future cases that I would be concerned where I would be involved in we would have to do it the way we have always done it, my husband and I – you would have to do it that way – and I said, "otherwise I can’t really work with you". I remember Ryan said “What do you mean – do it your way .” I said “bringing closure to these cases.” He said: “that should be the easiest thing.” I said, “that is not the easiest thing. That is the hardest thing.” So he said about using the Demonologist as a test.

..JRJ / VISIONS: All the shows that I have seen where you work with the Paranormal State crew you are introduced on the caption as a Demonologist.

..L. WARREN: Yes, I didn’t tell them do that. No. I did not tell anybody to do anything. I decided after what had happened regarding my husband after his passing I didn’t know if I could Joe, I didn’t know if I could carry on this work, I didn’t know if I could carry on this research, I didn’t know if I could carry on doing my lectures.

..JRJ / VISIONS: This is one of Tara’s questions: Was Ed your biggest guiding force as far as education? At what age did you discover your own personal skills in {clairvoyance} and what support system did you have around yourself... besides Ed, of course... that nurtured a skill like that to grow and for you to personaly be able to use it as a tool? {WIKIPEDIA DEFINITION of CLAIRVOYANCE}

..L. WARREN: That is one of the most fascinating questions that’s ever been asked of me in that depth!

..JRJ / VISIONS: I am complimented. Thank you...

..L. WARREN: When I began, you might say I grew up in a very privleged home, a very loving home. My parents were Irish Catholic. At the age of 9 something began to happen to me that I didn’t really truly understand. I didn’t know what it was but I would see lights around people. One of the nuns, I could see her lights and they were much brighter than another nun and I said to sister Joseph your lights sister are much brighter to Mother Superior, very very innocently cuz I did not think that I was out of the ordinary. I thought everybody could see these lights, Joe.

..JRJ / VISIONS: See, Lorraine, that is our disadvantage. For the ones that are gifted that is normal for you. For us, we got to take it on faith?

..L. WARREN: Look at it this way, I have never read books on psychic development. I didn’t even know what psychic development was all about. I really had no idea whatsoever... so for that reason its something I got punished for. I didn’t get punished at home.. I got punished by the nuns.

..JRJ / VISIONS: One thing you brought up that was ridiculously important to you was closure. When you go into a case, is your goal to identify, understand, communicate, banish, or, as you said, closure for the family to give the family some relief. But first you have to make the Client understand what they are needing relief from, yes?

..L. WARREN: Either from the supernatural or prea-natural. When I go in on a case that is my goal… My goal going in on a case is to understand what is going on within this family. Does the family need counseling? Does the family have problems with alcoholism, with drug abuse, with dysfunction? I do not like saying that to them but sometimes that is what the family needs.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Have you ever been personally attached in some form or fashion mentally or physically by any of the phenomenon you were investigating?

..L. WARREN: Yes, of course we have. I don’t want to elaborate. {Lorraine's voice starts to get "SHAKEY"}... I don’t like to give it that much recognition. I have been thrown 25 feet threw the air, yes, for going against a group of Satanists involved in worshipping the devil. I have done that. Just a whole lot of things dear. I’m not comfortable with that. That’s very hard for me to talk about. I know God is there for me all the time. I know he’s protecting me and it hard for me to talk about it. Please don’t ask me those questions, but yes I have been.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Let me ask you this Lorraine, again I am asking this out of a quest to know because your background is obviously Roman Catholic. What’s going on here that you are actually investigating? Is this basically the war between God and Satan being fought on earth and the clients that you are investigating and trying to give relief to these families, are caught in the middle?

..L. WARREN: In certain cases it is. In certain cases like this one case I am working on a possession and the other case where there is severe poltergeist activity because it’s the movement of extremely heavy objects that have already been recorded on surveillance and it could be severe poltergeist activity but in that one case, not in the possession case. There are times that the negative cases are the result of the demonic. There are cases also where people have no faith. They are the hardest things in the world to get help for people like that. Very.. very hard.

After an {8 MINUTE} INTERROGATION / CONSULTATION, and READING {ME} THE RIOT ACT and now INTERVIEWING {ME} WHY {I AM NOT} FOLLOWING ANY FORMAL FAITH THAT CAME FROM MY {PERSONAL} UPBRINGING, as well as asking if THIS MAGAZINE is on a CRUSADE ITSELF, Ms. WARREN CONTINUED with the INTERVIEW:

..JRJ / VISIONS: Now, let's get back to the interview…

..L. WARREN: Well I will tell you I cannot go in on any case nor will I go in on any case with anybody that does not believe. You don’t believe you go in yourself. I am not going to take on your burden along with my own. I will not go in. The most important thing to me in my investigations I go into the home of Buddhists– I have worked in Japan – I have gone in with Rabbis. I have gone in with Mormons. I have gone in with preachers of all faiths and denominations. I have done a tremendous amount of work for 27 years with my husband working with the Church of Scotland and the Church of England. I respect all religions but there is only one God. The God that I worship is of the result of Roman Catholic faith and that is how Ed and I have always been and we call on our Roman Catholic faith when we go into these houses when we go into these differences but yet respect other religions but I cant honestly say to a family if we say to me, we are Christians, we don’t believe in having our kids baptized….

..That’s a cop out... What a cop out that is. You call yourself Christians and you don’t bother having your children baptized. Well they can do it when they get older when they want to. To me, that is a real cop out. It is a real cop out. My faith that I have is my greatest protection hat we have had in going into these homes. Its been the protection that we have in the 52 years plus months that we have been involved in paranormal research.

..You can call me anything respectfully that you want.. You can say I’m a researcher, a Demonologist . A subject I guess I’m touching on all of these things and that is not the important things. The important thing is my faith in God and that what I’m doing I’m doing to try to help the family but I want to be guided and protected by him.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Besides Paranormal State is there anyone out there being broadcast or online or doing seminars that is doing really good work out there where the results are there, the scientific evidence is there that you would recommend as another voice?

..L. WARREN: There {might be} other people there. I think when I chose Ryan I think I chose the best.

..JRJ / VISIONS: What makes Ryan from Paranormal State the best ?

..L. WARREN: I have watched him work. I know the sincerity of him. I have spent a great deal of time with him Joe and so has my son in law. I like Ryan as a person. He’s a very good person. I have met his family when they came to State College. He’s a very nice young man. I think he’s motivated in the right direction. I feel that very strongly. I want to help him.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Did he find you {or} did you find him?

..L. WARREN: That’s kind of a two way street. I am a professional speaker. I take it he has known my name and has heard of me. He asked me to speak at a national conference. I said yes I would be willing to speak at your national conference. He asked me if I would be willing to go onto a particular case. I go on this case.. I said I’m “not” going to tell you things have to be done my way. What I’m going to say to you is that you must bring closure oherwise I can’t work with you. Most of these groups do not bring closure. Closure is closure! Whether it requires a rabbi, where it requires a priest, its going to require a religious figure to go in, not somebody that is calling themselves that. Not somebody that is saying that I am a minister because they got some kind of diploma in that direction but someone that is an ordained minister of God, I don’t care what their faith is.

..JRJ / VISIONS: What about the people in a show like Ghosthunters... There are...

..L. WARREN: (cutting me off,,, I didn’t even finish the question)... Let’s not go into stuff picking all these things apart. I’m not going to do that.

..JRJ / VISIONS: It's two different things, they go in and investigate to see if something is there. There is no closure in those episodes.

..L. WARREN: That’s not a case dear. Is that a case to you? There is a beginning and an end if you are an investigator. If you only want to play fun and games and to in and get your psychic photos and recordings and your knocks and what have you.. that’s fine…. but that’s not a case. A case is bringing closure. Its just fun and games. I have been doing this for a long time. You can’t change me now.

..THE AMITYVILLE HORROR

..JRJ / VISIONS: I have a couple questions I don’t know if I should ask. I don’t want to offend you in any way. You’re not gonna get mad at me, are ya ?

..L. WARREN: I’m not gonna get mad. I will just hang up ! {We're both laughing at that line...}

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..JRJ / VISIONS: I read a number of times in doing my days of research on your career, as well by reading {other} online interviews that you have done over the years that you {don’t} like to talk about this one word... I {think you} know what that one word is… Amityville. Can I talk to you about wha happened with that case you personally investigated about 30 years ago?

..L. WARREN: Of course you can...

..JRJ / VISIONS: I appreciate that very much. Let me start off by saying that I am {no expert} on Amityville... okay. You are... You were there...

..L. WARREN: My husband I were invited in. We brought in a large team with us. We were the (HER VOICE stresses into a louder tone) “only investigators” of the Amityville Horror.

..JRJ / VISIONS: I have been doing a lot of research on Ronald Defao Jr., the convicted murderer of the slayings of the Defao family that happened back in the early 70s… Supposedly Defao Jr. had a history of anti-social behavior toward his father, a history of drug abuse that involved not only heroin but LSD as well (one of the most widely accessible hallucinogens even up to this day). What does your gut tell you... Was Defao Jr. himself possessed or was he just a nut case on junk or was it all just for the Father's life insurance, leaving Defeo Jr. the only one left to collect on it if every other family member was dead? HIS CRIMES: {14th November 1974 /112 Ocean Boulevard, Suffolk, Amityville Village, NEW YORK} - Murder of his family, in Amityville, New York - Ronald DeFeo Sr, 43; Louise DeFeo, 42; Mark DeFeo, 12; John DeFeo, 7; Allison DeFeo, 13; and Dawn DeFeo, 18. {Method}: Victim's shot with a .35 caliber lever-action Marlin rifle. Both parents were shot twice. The four children were killed with a single shot.

..L. WARREN: Defao himself was probably influenced because of what he was involved with. To say he was possessed, I wasn’t there. But he certainly was influenced. How this puzzles me. There’s never going to be an answer for this. There’s never gonna be a full answer honey. When Ronald Defao murdered every member of his family, when we went to the house these people were all on their stomach. He started on the third floor and went to the second floor. How can you use a high gauge shotgun to kill people and nobody in that house awakens but there were no drugs in anyones body. The houses are very close together. They are right on the Amityville River. Its prime property. There is a big swimming pool right behind house.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Even just one gunshot is enough to wake everyone in the house!

..L. WARREN: Of course it is. Start on the third floor and you are shooting room after room, after room, after room, after room, after room. Nobody defends themselves, nobody gets up and they are all on their stomachs not moved. If they were immobilized it would have to been through drugs. There was nothing in their bodies. Who knows what the facts are. There are no fact. Maybe this will stir something up and we will get some answers. That is one question that has never been answered.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Are you saying the whole Defeo family was somehow immobilized by spirit activity residing in the house and Ronald Defeo Jr. was acting an agent of that evil spirit, commiting the murders {for Satan} because he was being told to do it… or am I reaching here?

..L. WARREN: In a way yes, but maybe... who knows what’s the fact. There is no fact. Maybe this will stir something up and we will get some answers. Me and my husband have toured the world on a grueling schedule and that is one questions that has never been answered.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Would it be your contention that the spirit demons claimed to be emanating from and in the house that {you say} originally had an influence on Defao Jr. are the {same Demons} that drove out the Lutzs from the same residence the murders originally occurred in essence, destroying both of these families?

..L. WARREN: It could have been the same force. I was warned by the priest that went to bless the home. He begged my husband to never go back in that house again. He said I am worried about you. I know how badly I have been affected. His car went out of control on the highway. Ed had to go back in. He had to finish what he had started and I was with him.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Is the place is still a "hot spot" now, even today of paranormal activity?

..L. WARREN: I don’t even have a desire, Joe... to go back down 112 Ocean Avenue. I have no desire to go by that place ever again.

..JRJ / VISIONS: I know you have had your interviews with the Lutzs regarding their experiences. Have you ever talked to Ronald Defao Jr. directly about what occurred in the house to get {HIS} side of the story... Voices from the House telling him to Kill, or were the Voices he claimed to here just in his head, possibly imagined or thought to be heard during an LSD "Acid Trip"? YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT HE IS STILL INCARSERATED UP IN NEW YORK TODAY... CONVICTED OF SIX COUNTS OF MURDER, SERVING 25 YEARS EACH CONSECUTIVELY...

..L. WARREN: No, I didn’t. I was asked by quite a few people involved in the case to…

..JRJ / VISIONS: Because you would just get another story... not the truth.... He seems to recant everything He states...?

..L. WARREN: Yes, that’s why I would not go. He’s a very disturbed man.

..JRJ / VISIONS: Is that basically how you are calling it, that he’s just really out there ?

..L. WARREN: He’s really out there hun.

To find out more about the New England Society for Psychic Research write to P.O. box 748, Farmington, CT 06034 or visit www.warrens.net. To contact the Warrens write to P.O. Box 41 Monroe, CT 06468.

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