..01
/ 03 / 2009 - 6:00 to 7:00 PM EST....I was
very honored to speak at great length with one of the world's most
recognized names known today in Paranormal
Investigation - LORAINE
WARREN. About
a week ago Tara and I were going over a list of investigators / psyc hics
that we wanted to work with in the early stages of the new year, and
her name was right up there at the top of the list.
This was someone attached to the AMITYVILLE story
30 years ago, a requested back-up 2nd opinion / investigator on the
A&E show Paranormal
State, a nationial speaker and published author with
now 10 books Published out
there regarding the paranormal, and she is still doing investigations
at the age of
81!
My introduction call to Loraine about a week
ago was brief:
we want to do a phone Q & A about her
Investigative Techniques and Career for our website here at VISIONSMAGAZINEONLINE.com... "Sure
honey... I
would LOVE to do that. How about after the New Year?"
..I gave
Loraine a call at about 6:00 PM the following Saturday. I
had been doing online research on her career which spans for decades
during the last 4 days, and of course the reasearch did include
the AMITYVILLE case.
In past interviews that she has done, AMITYVILLE was
a very touchy subject with her, with some online interviews actually
stopping with the mentioning of the
"A"
word. I drafted, then re-drafted about 10-15 questions for our
phone interview the day before I was to call. She likes to do her
interviews over the phone, as do I.
..I feel
that the actual conversation is critically important
to the "CONTEXT"
of what we are researching here, being the {PARANORMAL},
and good conversation reveals hidden details, and dare I say
it - AGENDAS.
Talking about a certain topic also spurns {more} and better questions
perhaps not originally
thought of on the first pass. I just really think working this
way gives you a better, if not a TRUER, MORE
HONEST answer. Loraine was very, very nice
during the interview to a fault, we had a few laughs, and I prayed
that
I wasn't going to bore
her with more questions of the same ilk that she has responded
to for years. She made time for {US} here at VISIONSMAGAZINEONLINE.com, and
for that we are very greatful for her time and complete honesty.
..I was
very glad to here and learn from Her that Her WRITING
TECHNIQUE's are
what I like I do... Getting the ideas down on paper or via
voice recorder first, serving as thoughts and facts and details to
be expanded upon at a later time and for review. The refined notes
are
later dictated
to
someone
else
for
ingestion
into the computer. Trust
me - as a writer myself - THIS METHOD WORKS!
..Her
tools of paranormal investigation are not only unique in the field,
but rather extraordinarily simple in nature: a telephone to
pre-interview the client experiencing
something that they cannot explain, her "CLAIRVOYANT"
skills, and her faith.
She has no need for E.M.F. meters, infrared camera systems, digital
voice recorders, etc. - She will entertain the collected and presented
by others evidence up to a point - and that's it. Some cases she will
refuse to talk about that in {HER words} "...affected
me too deeply..." Some of her conclusions
have been rather controversial and have created splits in opinion in
the
field
of Paranormal research as to the accuracy of those reported findings.
Because of her strong, personal, highly religious beliefs and practices, during
this actual phone interview MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS were
called into question and, yep, I was actually
being INTERROGATED and COUNSELED because
they DIFFERED
FROM HERS! .Also
Ms. Warren got rather upset, and rightfully corrected the record to
me that she
is
{not},
and should
not be referred
to as a DEMONOLIGIST as
per a very popular paranormal show now that continuously refers to
her as being as such, as
well as other broadcasts and web sites that make the same claim about
her... "Their
words, not
mine.... I
didn't tell them to do that."
..Ms.
Warren
will {only work} with
and try to help those who need to bring "CLOSURE" to
a case and only if it meets HER
PERSONAL CRITERIA: She does not charge
for an investigation,
{but}
will accept
reimbursement of expenses such as for airfare, fuel, hotel costs, etc.
if these monies are offered. The Client {must}
share the same, or at least in a simular personal belief
system
that
she has: "They
MUST believe {in
one true GOD}, or
I won't go in... go
do it yourself..." In this requirement she
is totally immovable in both opinion and Paranormal investigative technique
and Personal Beliefs.
..AQUARIUS – AIR
SIGN January
21 to February 19 (Air
signs: Aquarius – Gemini – Libra)
..BORN:
January 31, 1927. This
sign is governed by Uranus which rules personal and societal
freedom. It also indicates originality of thought and expression.
Uranus rules those revolutionary events that have upset even
the most established of structures. Much like the insurgent (a
person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority,
a rebel).
The element of “air” is
tuned into the realm of the mind. Thought is constantly shifting
like a turbulent
wind. Air
does not attach itself emotionally to others as do some
other signs of the zodiac.
..Aquarians
focus on intellectual exploration. It’s
interesting to note that many inventors, eccentrics and highly
original individuals
are born under this sign. They have an ultra - intense
ability to think and reason on many mental levels but this can
be a double
edged sword and can fluctuate between both pain and pleasure.Aquarians
are drawn to humanitarian undertakings and will find
themselves involved in roles aiding their
fellow man. Aquarians
have an uncanny ability to make friends and retain their
loyalty. They tend to be very interesting people and people just
enjoy
being
around them. They
are not really fond of the routine and tend to stimulate
people’s
intellect.
..Aquarians
can be elusive, mysterious and even unusual people -
and above all unique. Even though bordering on what some
people might consider eccentric
behavior, but it is this uniqueness that makes them so charming.
The Aquarian mind is extremely quick and their mind races with
all kinds of thoughts continually (it
is interesting to note that many born under this sign are prone
to insomnia). Aquarians
will take up a cause because it satisfies their needs and gives
them fulfillment-its
their nature. They need something
to stand for and believe in.
..I found this interesting piece of information: In
the American Hall of Fame there are more Aquarians than any
other sign,
yet statistics reveal that in mental institutions
there are more Aquarians than any other sign too. Many extremes
can surround this sign and these extremes can take them to both
Heaven and Hell. (www.psychicguild.com)
.What
follows are my prepared Questions that were put
to Ms. Warren over the length of a full hour of back-forth conversation
followed by Loraine's {transcribed} responses
to them. Some answers may be shortened for space
in this
article, or for conversation going {off
subject}, but nothing changes the answers
or the context thereof.
..THE INTERVIEW OF
LORRAINE WARREN
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Please
define how being a "DEMONOLOGIST"
differs from being an EXORCIST,
a PARANORMAL
INVESTIGATOR,
or a SPIRITUAL
PSYCHIC. What makes Demonology stand
apart. Would you classify yourself as all of these? What
I see a lot of when I look you up online I see the word Demonologist attached to your name a lot.
..L.
WARREN: I don’t classify myself as that. Let me put it this
way. When I decided, Joe, that after things happened after Ed’s
passing I realized I was going to carry on his legacy. His legacy covered
a lot of things dear. If I’m going to carry on his legacy and
carry on his work with God’s blessing. I know, I never
called myself that.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Ok.
See that’s
a very important clarification there. You are an investigator. You
are not just going
on that side
of the fence.
..L.
WARREN: No,
I’m
not on that one side of the fence only, No. I have worked next
to that man that I have loved and worked with a
lot of years and naturally I would be learnered in that area… I
would be at least lernered in that area that I worked right next to
him on.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Did
you work {together} on your many paranormal investigations over
the years? Was there a divisions of labor of who did what on
the investigations you
did over your
history?
..L.
WARREN: That
is exactly how it would be… In other words he
would be doing the interviews with the family. Let’s put it this
way… this is the intial interview now. He is the person who is
doing the interviews with the family. I don’t want to be part
of that Joe. I want to walk around the house and see what I feel and
not be influenced by what is being told to me. That is a researcher
and that is that of a psychic and that is what I am doing.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: How
do you feel ...
Do you feel numbness...
Do you feel a presence?
..L.
WARREN: I feel presence.
I see spirits,
I feel vibrations.
The most important areas to gain this in is sitting
on
the bed of the people
who lived in this home. That is where you pick up your
deepest thoughts. That is where we think out a lot of
things from the day that we have
had. Where we are going tomorrow.. what we are going to
do. That tells me a great deal about a person….
a great deal about a person….
I don’t have that person in front of me to deal with...
If I have that person there to deal with I can interview
that person, but if
I don’t that’s the way I do it.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: You
stated earlier to me that you are doing {another} Paranormal
State in Ohio, which is right next door
to us… being
as we are based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. With all of
the renewed
"explosive
interest" in paranormal investigation
on a national scale, obviously broadcast heavily on cable
television,
we see your {allegiance} to Paranormal
State. I don’t want to put
words in your mouth, but I would {take it} that you see them
as a very credible
source to work with ?
..L.
WARREN: Well
I’m glad you addressed that. I’m very
happy that you addressed it because that when I was
asked to do this I was
on this one case and I said now where this case is concerned
and where any future cases that I would be concerned
where I would be involved
in we would have to do it the way we have always done it,
my husband and I – you would have to do it
that way – and I said,
"otherwise I can’t
really work with you". I
remember Ryan said “What
do you mean – do it your way .” I
said “bringing
closure to these cases.” He
said: “that
should be the easiest thing.” I
said, “that
is not the easiest thing. That is the hardest thing.” So
he said about using the Demonologist as
a test.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: All the shows that I have seen where you work with the Paranormal
State crew you are introduced on the caption as a Demonologist.
..L.
WARREN: Yes, I
didn’t tell them do that. No. I
did not tell anybody to do anything. I decided after what had happened regarding
my husband after his passing I didn’t know if I could Joe, I
didn’t know if I could carry on this work, I didn’t know
if I could carry on this research, I didn’t know if I could carry
on doing my lectures.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: This
is one of Tara’s
questions: Was Ed your biggest guiding force as far as
education? At what age
did you
discover your own personal skills in {clairvoyance}
and what support system did you have around yourself...
besides Ed, of course... that nurtured a skill like
that to grow and for you to personaly be able
to use it as a tool?
{WIKIPEDIA
DEFINITION of CLAIRVOYANCE}
..L.
WARREN: That is one
of the most fascinating questions that’s
ever been asked of me in that depth!
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I am
complimented. Thank you...
..L.
WARREN: When I began,
you might say I grew up in a very privleged home, a very loving home.
My parents
were Irish
Catholic. At the age
of 9 something began to happen to me that I didn’t really truly
understand. I didn’t know what it was but I would see lights
around people. One of the nuns, I could see her lights and they were
much brighter than another nun and I said to sister Joseph your lights
sister are much brighter to Mother Superior, very very innocently cuz
I did not think that I was out of the ordinary. I thought everybody
could see these lights, Joe.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: See, Lorraine, that is our disadvantage. For the ones that are gifted
that is normal for you. For us, we got to take it on faith?
..L.
WARREN: Look
at it this way, I have never read
books on psychic development.
I didn’t even know what psychic development was
all about. I really had no idea whatsoever... so for that reason its
something I got punished for. I didn’t get punished at home..
I got punished by the nuns.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: One
thing you brought up that was ridiculously important to you
was closure. When you go into a case, is your goal to identify,
understand,
communicate,
banish,
or, as you said, closure
for the family to give
the family some relief. But
first you have to make the Client understand
what they are needing relief from, yes?
..L.
WARREN: Either
from the supernatural or prea-natural. When I go in on a case
that is
my goal… My
goal going in on a case is to understand what is going on within
this family. Does
the family need
counseling? Does the family have problems with alcoholism, with drug
abuse, with dysfunction? I do not like saying that to them but sometimes
that is what the family needs.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Have you ever been personally
attached in some form or fashion mentally or physically by any of the phenomenon you were investigating?
..L.
WARREN: Yes,
of course we have. I don’t want
to elaborate. {Lorraine's
voice starts to get "SHAKEY"}...
I don’t
like to give it that much recognition. I have been thrown 25 feet threw
the air, yes, for going against a group of Satanists involved in
worshipping the devil. I have done that. Just a whole lot of
things dear.
I’m
not comfortable with that. That’s very
hard for me to talk about. I know God is there for me all the time.
I know he’s protecting
me and it hard for me to talk about it. Please don’t
ask me those questions, but yes I have been.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Let
me ask you this Lorraine, again I am asking this out of a
quest to know because your background is obviously
Roman Catholic. What’s
going on here that you are actually investigating? Is this basically
the war
between God and Satan being fought on earth and
the clients that you are investigating and trying to give relief
to these families,
are caught in the middle?
..L.
WARREN: In
certain cases it is. In certain cases like this one case I
am working on a possession and the other
case where there
is severe poltergeist activity because it’s the movement
of extremely heavy objects that have already been recorded on
surveillance
and it could be severe poltergeist activity but in that one case,
not in the possession case. There are times that the negative
cases are the result of the demonic. There
are cases also where people have no faith. They
are the hardest things in the world to get help for people like
that. Very.. very hard.
After
an {8 MINUTE} INTERROGATION / CONSULTATION, and READING {ME}
THE RIOT ACT and now INTERVIEWING {ME} WHY {I AM
NOT} FOLLOWING ANY FORMAL FAITH THAT CAME FROM MY {PERSONAL}
UPBRINGING, as
well
as asking if THIS MAGAZINE is on a CRUSADE ITSELF, Ms. WARREN
CONTINUED with the INTERVIEW:
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Now,
let's get back to the interview…
..L.
WARREN: Well
I will tell you I
cannot go in on any case nor will I go in on any case with
anybody that
does not
believe. You don’t
believe you go in yourself. I am not going to take on your burden
along with my own. I will not go in. The most important thing
to me in my
investigations I go into the home of Buddhists– I have worked
in Japan – I have gone in with Rabbis. I have gone in with
Mormons. I have gone in with preachers of all faiths and denominations.
I have
done a tremendous amount of work for 27 years with my husband working
with the Church of Scotland and the Church of England. I respect
all religions but there is only one God. The God that I worship
is of the
result of Roman Catholic faith and that is how Ed and I have always
been and we call on our Roman Catholic faith when we go into these
houses when we go into these differences but yet respect other
religions but I cant honestly say to a family if we say to me,
we are Christians,
we don’t believe in having our kids baptized….
..That’s
a cop out... What a cop out that is. You call yourself Christians
and you don’t bother having your children baptized. Well
they can do it when they get older when they want to. To me,
that is a real
cop out. It is a real cop out. My faith that I have is my greatest
protection hat we have had in going into these homes. Its been
the protection that we have in the 52 years plus months that
we have
been involved in paranormal research.
..You
can call me anything respectfully that you want.. You can say I’m
a researcher, a Demonologist . A subject I guess I’m touching
on all of these things and that is not the important things. The
important thing is my faith in God and that what I’m doing
I’m doing
to try to help the family but I want to be guided and protected
by him.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Besides Paranormal
State is there anyone out there being broadcast
or online or doing seminars that is doing really good work out there
where the results are there, the scientific evidence is there that
you would recommend as another voice?
..L.
WARREN: There
{might be} other people there. I think when I chose Ryan I
think I chose the best.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: What
makes Ryan from Paranormal
State the best ?
..L.
WARREN: I have watched him work.
I know the sincerity of him. I have spent a great deal of time with
him Joe and so has
my son in law. I like
Ryan as a person. He’s a very good person. I have met his family
when they came to State College. He’s a very nice young man.
I think he’s motivated in the right direction. I feel that very
strongly. I want to help him.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Did
he find you {or} did you find him?
..L.
WARREN: That’s kind of a two way street. I am a professional speaker.
I take it he has known my name and has heard of me. He asked me to
speak at a national conference. I said yes I would be willing to speak
at your national conference. He asked me if I would be willing to go
onto a particular case. I go on this case.. I said I’m “not” going
to tell you things have to be done my way. What I’m going to
say to you is that you must bring closure oherwise I can’t work
with you. Most of these groups do not bring closure. Closure
is closure!
Whether it requires a rabbi, where it requires a priest, its going
to require a religious figure to go in, not somebody that is calling
themselves that. Not somebody that is saying that I am a minister because
they got some kind of diploma in that direction but someone that is
an ordained minister of God, I don’t care what their faith is.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: What
about the people in a show like Ghosthunters...
There are...
..L.
WARREN: (cutting
me off,,, I didn’t even finish the question)... Let’s
not go into stuff picking all these things apart. I’m
not going to do that.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: It's
two different things, they go in and investigate
to see if something is there. There is no
closure in those episodes.
..L.
WARREN: That’s
not a case dear. Is that a case to you? There is a beginning
and an end if you are an investigator. If you only want to play
fun
and games and to in and get your psychic photos and recordings and
your knocks and what have you.. that’s fine…. but that’s
not a case. A case is bringing closure. Its just fun and games. I have
been doing this for a long time. You
can’t change
me now.
..THE AMITYVILLE HORROR
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I have
a couple questions I don’t know if I should ask. I
don’t
want to offend you in any way. You’re
not gonna get mad at me, are ya ?
..L.
WARREN: I’m
not gonna get mad. I
will just hang up ! {We're both
laughing at that line...}
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I read
a number of times in doing my days of research
on your career, as well by reading {other} online interviews
that you have
done over the years that you {don’t}
like to talk about this one word... I {think
you} know what that one word is… Amityville.
Can I talk to you about wha happened with that case you
personally investigated about 30 years ago?
..L.
WARREN: Of
course you can...
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I appreciate
that very much. Let me start off by saying that I am {no expert} on Amityville...
okay.
You
are... You
were there...
..L.
WARREN: My
husband I were invited in. We brought in a large team with us.
We were the (HER VOICE
stresses into a louder tone) “only
investigators” of
the Amityville Horror.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I have
been doing a lot of research on Ronald
Defao Jr., the convicted murderer of the
slayings of the Defao
family
that happened back in
the early 70s… Supposedly Defao Jr. had
a history of anti-social behavior toward his
father, a history of drug abuse that involved
not only heroin but LSD as
well (one
of the most widely accessible hallucinogens even up to this day).
What does your gut tell you... Was Defao
Jr. himself possessed or was he just a nut
case on junk or was
it all just for
the Father's life insurance, leaving Defeo Jr.
the only one left to collect on it if every other family member was
dead? HIS CRIMES:
{14th November 1974 /112 Ocean Boulevard, Suffolk, Amityville
Village, NEW YORK} - Murder of his family, in Amityville, New York
- Ronald DeFeo Sr, 43;
Louise
DeFeo, 42; Mark
DeFeo, 12; John
DeFeo, 7; Allison
DeFeo, 13; and Dawn DeFeo, 18. {Method}: Victim's shot with a .35 caliber
lever-action Marlin rifle. Both parents were shot twice. The four children
were killed
with a single shot.
..L.
WARREN: Defao
himself was probably influenced because of what he was involved
with. To say he was possessed,
I
wasn’t there. But he certainly
was influenced. How this puzzles me. There’s never going to be
an answer for this. There’s never gonna be a full answer honey.
When Ronald Defao murdered every member of his family, when we went
to the house these people were all on their stomach. He started on
the third floor and went to the second floor. How can you use a high
gauge shotgun to kill people and nobody in that house awakens but
there were no drugs in anyones body. The houses are very close tog ether.
They are right on the Amityville River. Its prime property. There
is
a big swimming pool right behind house.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Even
just one gunshot is enough to wake everyone in the house!
..L.
WARREN: Of
course it is. Start on the third floor and you are shooting room
after room, after room, after room, after room, after room. Nobody
defends themselves, nobody gets up and they are all on their stomachs
not moved. If they were immobilized it would have to been through
drugs.
There was nothing in their bodies. Who knows what the facts are.
There are no fact. Maybe this will stir something up and we will
get some
answers. That is one question that has never been answered.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Are
you saying the whole Defeo family was somehow immobilized
by spirit activity residing in the house and Ronald
Defeo Jr. was acting
an agent
of that evil spirit, commiting the murders {for Satan} because
he was being told to do it…
or am I reaching here?
..L.
WARREN: In
a way yes, but maybe... who knows what’s
the fact. There is no fact. Maybe this will stir something up and
we will get
some answers. Me and my husband have toured the world on a grueling
schedule and that is one questions tha t has never been answered.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Would
it be your contention that the spirit
demons claimed to be emanating from and in the house that
{you say} originally had an influence on Defao Jr.
are the {same Demons} that
drove
out the Lutzs from the same residence the murders originally
occurred in essence, destroying
both of these families?
..L.
WARREN: It
could have been the same force. I was warned by the priest that
went to bless the home. He begged my husband to never go back
in that house again. He said I am worried about you. I know how badly
I have been affected. His car went out of control on the highway.
Ed
had to go back in. He had to finish what he had started and I was
with him.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Is the
place is still a "hot spot" now, even today of paranormal
activity?
..L.
WARREN: I don’t
even have a desire, Joe... to go back down 112 Ocean Avenue. I
have no
desire to go by that
place ever again.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: I know
you have had your interviews with
the Lutzs regarding their experiences. Have you ever talked to Ronald
Defao Jr. directly about
what occurred in the house to get {HIS} side
of the story... Voices from the House telling
him to Kill, or were the Voices he cla imed
to here just in his head, possibly imagined
or thought to be heard
during an LSD "Acid
Trip"?
YOU
KNOW, OF COURSE THAT HE IS STILL INCARSERATED UP IN NEW YORK TODAY...
CONVICTED
OF SIX COUNTS OF MURDER, SERVING 25 YEARS
EACH CONSECUTIVELY...
..L.
WARREN: No, I didn’t.
I was asked by quite a few people involved in the case to…
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Because
you would just get another story... not the truth.... He seems to recant
everything He states...?
..L.
WARREN: Yes, that’s why I would not go. He’s
a very disturbed man.
..JRJ
/ VISIONS: Is
that basically how you are calling it, that he’s
just really out there ?
..L.
WARREN: He’s
really out there hun.
To find out more about the New
England Society for Psychic Research write to P.O. box 748, Farmington, CT 06034 or
visit www.warrens.net. To
contact the Warrens write to P.O. Box 41
Monroe, CT 06468.
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